Showing posts with label Rhiannon Whiting. Show all posts
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A letter in response to arguments against Determinism

"It is unthinkable to me that a living being can be compelled to move by something outside of itself. Influenced, certainly. Threatened, certainly. But utterly dominated to the extent that it is no longer separate from that which would control it? This is surely impossible."

Is it really that impossible? A few weeks ago in the Philosophy Takeaway there was an article on "Twelve Years a Slave" where the author seems to complain that the slaves did not stand up for themselves, to free themselves from the tyranny that was their existence, that they had a choice but failed to take it. Whilst this is all very well said, I don't believe that many did have a choice - for many it was either get on with life as it was or get beaten or killed, mauled by dogs as they tried to escape, whipped if they attempted to express creativity through writing, genocide for those that planned an overthrow of any kind.

Biologically we are predetermined not to put ourselves at deaths door (of course there are always exceptions to the rule which we will go into later). I assume the level of fear for these people kept them down, they did not have a choice - the ones who did rise up, what made them do this? Was it simply a choice one day? Or was it something that made them snap, that caused them to do this?

You put your hand in a hot oven. Your biological reaction (determined) is to remove your hand as soon as possible, you do not physically have time to think of a reaction, the person in themselves makes no choice - it is determined. Only if that person in themselves has trained themselves to not react - (what we must look at is the reason they trained themselves to do this) do they not remove their hand from the oven - only if they are determined not to. The very phrase 'determined to do something' in itself implies choice, a decision - but a decision does not just pop out of nowhere - even the smallest one. The burning protesting monks are determined to make a point, but what socio-political-religious beliefs have contributed to them doing this? If that monk had all his memories removed, was put into a different body, even had a different brain - would he still burn himself? I don't think so. It seems you have an idea of a sense of self that is more like a soul, a mind, as you put - free will. Where is this free will, how is it independent to our biological functions, to our memories, emotions, reactions, relationships?

In your second point you claim "deterministic theories are often used to take away responsibility from certain groups in society" and go on to say that this cultivates failure Surely here you are allowing for determinism itself, you are saying that our actions are determined by determinism itself. There is a round circle of cause and effect. You are claiming the point you are trying so hard to argue against. You are saying people are forced to take welfare, when in your opinion we all have free choice - thus contradicting yourself.

In order to say whether determinism negates responsibility we must first derive what responsibility is. As far as I can tell responsibility is a feeling, a feeling of ownership - "I am responsible for what happens on my deals at work" - which can turn into feelings of guilt "I feel responsible that I knocked that old lady over" or feelings of happiness "I feel responsible for putting a smile on my child's face." If this is the case then determinism in no way negates responsibility, it creates it through cause and effect - if we did not have these - then we wouldn't have the emotions, the feelings that come with responsibility. But what about those pesky criminals I hear you ask? Are they not just victims to their circumstances? Of course this is one logical conclusion. But if we stop locking people up, stop punishing people as they couldn't help it then there would be bloody murder. Responsibility has evolved to protect society, locking people up is supposedly a deterrent, it is meant to rehabilitate those that could not see how their actions affect people and trying to cause them to next time look at the affects. I'm not saying it always works or is a good system - but these at least are the aims.

"The fact that there are people from privileged backgrounds who rally against such privilege, the late Tony Benn being a prime example, indicates that we can never remove the individual's reaction to their surroundings from the equation; we can always reject our surroundings once we are mature enough to do so. As much as we are influenced by our surroundings so too can we influence them in turn."

How is this maturity determined? The fact that someone goes against their background does not imply a sudden change of free will. One does not simply change one’s mind one day, there must have been factors that made him do so. Those who believe in determinism are not saying that things will never change, that every day will be the same, that because things are the way they are there is no escape, that there will never be a chain of events that cause us to develop as a society in one way or another. The woman who leaves her abusive husband does not just choose to leave him because she decided to, she does so because she has finally had enough, that he has done something that has gone too far, that her friends or family have convinced her, or quite simply she has reached her level of tolerance.

People do surprise us however - people moving up either financially, in society, spiritually, artistically, intellectually, and so on. A genius (which you have claimed is proof against determinism) is always an intellectual surprise. You account for this as free will, a determinist will account for this as the fact that we don't know all the facts. You take the case that if there is an increase in unemployment an increase in robbery will follow. This is a well known statistic, but of course we cannot just say our actions are determined but also our opinions. Not only is there a circular determinate that this will possibly give people more of an idea, more of a belief that this an option for them - causing them to do it; as a society we will be surprised by the exceptions to the rule as we have been determined to believe this. These exceptions may feel themselves to have other choices; they may just feel themselves to choose not to. But dig deeper and ask why has this person come to the conclusion that they can do something else, and why am I surprised by that. There are many ideas we have to take time to rationally consider and throw out, if we have the opportunity/capacity/are inclined to do this.

Another point is that we do not know everything yet - to make a completely correct statistical judgment of what is going to happen in the future you need all the facts of every possible situation. At this point in time this seems like an impossibility - but once we called the weather God's will, and now we are getting closer and closer to predicting what it will do next.

Even if free will does exist - you have admitted that interactions can influence people. If we were not to encroach on anybody's liberties then we would not have relationships at all, nobody would ever do anything as they'd be worried how it would affect someone else. With determinism, yes you are part of one big stinking whole, bad things happen, good things happen - it does not mean we should just sit in bed and go well whatever happens, happens. We are part of something; our actions mean something, even if they are not chosen. We are still conscious, this consciousness is just made up of lots of things that have happened to us, that have determined our hopes, our dreams, our limits and our responsibilities. They will inflict (hopefully positively) on the consciousness of others. We should ride the waves of cause and effect and if you're that way inclined, hopefully put our own mark on the world that causes it to be a better place.

Rhiannon Whiting

Is a mathematical proposition in any way related to 'truth' / reality?

There are three key differing beliefs in mathematics when discussing whether a mathematical proposition is in any way related to truth or reality: Platonism, Formalism and Intuitionism. These perspectives are actually applicable to language in general. However, all a mathematical proposition really is, is a statement. “One apple plus one apple equals two apples.” is the same as “1+1=2”

Plato believed that there was a distinction between what we perceive to be our reality and what reality is. He argued that we should take our beliefs and analyse these, reducing and questioning our assumptions until we reach an ultimate truth or reality (the dialectic).

He distinguished between the one and the many. For example, there is a potential infinity of things we call gold in the world: gold necklaces, gold rings, gold paper, and so on. However when we ask what gold is, it is the element Au, it is what all these things have in common.

Mathematics seems to be a universal language. For example, say you have an Englishman and a Frenchman and they both walk into a bar…. Or you know are just chatting in any other location. The Frenchman asks the Englishman what he means by “cheeky”. There is no French alternative that completely embodies the meaning of the word. However if there are circular beer mats on the table, cylindrical cheeky glasses of beer on the bar, and some round bar stools outside, and so on, they will both recognise the shape of the circle. They will both know that the connection between these things is a circle. Plato believes that this is because we recognise the true form of the circle, and that this true form is the reality rather than just our perception of many objects that are circular. There can hardly be a perfect circle ever created in our physical universe due to the nature of pi, but the concept of what a circle is, is known to many. It is important to note that Plato did not think that these true forms were ideas but believed that these are external and objective to us, and even to space and time.

Platonism within mathematics takes his ideas and argues that there are abstract mathematical objects whose existences are independent of us. The mathematical objects have true forms, not just the circle as per the above but sets, equations, propositions, and so on. Mathematical truths are therefore discovered using the dialectic, rather than being invented. If you look at this position from a mathematical perspective it is quite convenient. Firstly we could potentially solve any mathematical problem, as we only have to discover rationally all the mathematically true forms that could exist.

One of the problems with the Platonist argument is that if these truths are completely independent to us, how do we test these ideas to see if they are true? Take the gold example. If I say “this necklace is gold” we can test this by analyzing the necklace and confirming that it is or is not made of Au. However with Plato’s viewpoint it seems that we will always perceive reality differently from its true form. So if we test the proposition “One plus one equals two” even though our perception would be that this is correct, if these are abstract and independent from our perception then how is this useful? One of the reasons mathematics is so important to our views of existence is that it enhances scientific theories. However it seems that by claiming mathematical objects and propositions are independent of our perceptions, Platonism disregards this altogether.

Intuitionism argues that instead of having these independent forms, mathematics is just a creation of the mind. Mathematical propositions can only be proved true by reasoning that proves it to be true – and therefore we can communicate mathematics only if other minds have come to the same logical conclusion. We can rationally postulate mathematics, but it can also be applied to every day empirical reality if you believe that the mind and body are interlinked – therefore corresponding with science.

How/why do we have maths in the first place? Where did this thing that so many people struggle with/become super geniuses at come from? Look at your hands! How many fingers are you holding up? How many slices of cake have you eaten today? How much money do you need to give the shopkeeper for that pinot grigio and packet of fags? Maths stems from counting, counting became measuring for house building and such (remember back to your school days the endless bore of Pythagoras' theorem?) With Platonism all of this is irrelevant. However with Intuitionism you could argue that although these empirical things are not the mathematics, the logic and reason we have used to create them in our minds is.

The problem with this theory is when we introduce mathematical entities called irrational numbers. Remember that thing called Pi (π) (mmm pie). You used it to calculate the area / circumference / diameter of a circle – maybe you still do. But what is Pi? Pi is a really long number beginning with 3.14159265358… The number of decimal digits on this number is infinite, but unlike rational numbers they form no pattern. This means that even if we manage to calculate the next digit, we will have no idea what the one after that is. The problem with the irrational number for intuitionism is that it is irrational. Therefore we can’t just derive this in our minds. For Platonism this would not be a problem – for example where Intuitionists would argue that infinity or an irrational number could not exist as we have no experience of this in our physical world, Platonists would argue that there was a true form of infinity or of pi we are yet to discover.

So if these two arguments don’t work is maths just devoid of meaning? If we are not really sure if these independent abstract ideas exist and we can’t just make them up in our heads, what is a mathematical proposition and how does it work? Formalists argue that mathematical propositions are just a game we play, making up a story. Mathematical propositions and concepts are part of the story of maths in the same way the tardis is part of the story of Doctor Who. However just like a story these things make sense in the story but not outside it. There is a man who flies through time and space in a police box… that doesn’t make sense in the same way that 'what the hell does 10/2=5 actually mean?' does. Unlike sciences such as biology which is a study of something else – life, maths is just the study of maths. Mathematics studies quantity, structure, space and change for example, but these are mathematical concepts themselves. However, unlike Doctor Who, mathematics is logical and we can use it to describe objective things outside of mathematics. For example we can use it to model and predict the weather – but the weather isn’t actually mathematics – we’ve just made it mathsy by putting our perspective on it.

So are people who claim that mathematics is on a higher plane of existence talking out of their bums? I think that the only answer can be sort of, sometimes and depends. I’ve only written about a few of the theories here and in that not gone into much detail. However all of them relate to what you think quantifies as existence in the first place – is existence just in the mind or do you believe that there’s something else out there, and if so which is the higher plane? Platonism depends a lot on faith that these objects exist - but would you say that someone who has a belief in religion, philosophy, and so on, was a bum talker? If maths is just a game, but can be useful, does this mean it’s any less part of existence?

Rhiannon Whiting

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